tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post4931635800767194767..comments2024-03-07T06:52:34.516+00:00Comments on Exiled Preacher: Who is the Head of the Church?Guy Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-10527415022661307082010-07-22T12:41:23.166+01:002010-07-22T12:41:23.166+01:00Thank you for replying.
I grant that this can jus...Thank you for replying.<br /><br />I grant that this can justifiably be understood as describing the Roman Catholic approach to ecumenism. But the Roman Catholic Church was not only absent from, but visibly hostile to, the development of the ecumenical movement. The insistance on a commitment to visible unity came from other quarters, notably the Orthodox, who are by no means clear that they want to be under the authority of the pope. It seems that you're confusing an acknowledgment of papal authority with a concern for visible unity.<br /><br />I grant that the ARCIC report said surprising things (although primacy is of course different to headship, but it did say some rather drastic things on infallibility if I remember correctly) but that is a bi-lateral dialogue, rather than "the ecumenical movement." <br /><br />However, I didn't really intend to get into a discussion - I was just rather shocked by that statement, having noticed the title of your post on a link at Faith and Theology...<br /><br />MacrinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-3751198938930920622010-07-21T16:37:03.814+01:002010-07-21T16:37:03.814+01:00Clearly this is the Roman Catholic objective in en...Clearly this is the Roman Catholic objective in engaging in ecumenism given its belief as stated in its Catechism,<br /><br />CRC 882: The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful. For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered.<br /><br />ARCIC III's "The Gift of Authority" states,<br /><br />62. An experience of universal primacy of this kind would confirm two particular conclusions we have reached: <br /><br />that Anglicans be open to and desire a recovery and re-reception under certain clear conditions of the exercise of universal primacy by the Bishop of Rome; <br />that Roman Catholics be open to and desire a re-reception of the exercise of primacy by the Bishop of Rome and the offering of such a ministry to the whole Church of God. <br /><br />The Swanick Declaration, founding document of the UK's Churches Together, which includes the Roman Catholic Church affirms,<br /><br />We now declare together our readiness to commit ourselves to each other under God. Our earnest desire is to become more fully, in his own time, the one Church of Christ, united in faith, communion, pastoral care and mission.Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-90627207915704283272010-07-21T16:04:56.449+01:002010-07-21T16:04:56.449+01:00The goal of ecumenical movement is to reunite Chri...<em>The goal of ecumenical movement is to reunite Christendom under the authority of the pope.</em><br /><br />Really? Can you document that claim? I realise that I'm coming from quite a different place (although I don't accept papal claims) but this does seem rather an over-the-top claim. And, given recent developments in official ecumenical organisations, the thought of WCC movement-types being enthusiastic about putting themselves under the authority of Pope Benedict XVI is, well, just a bit bizarre...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-70915634430975767552010-07-21T12:38:13.802+01:002010-07-21T12:38:13.802+01:00URL changed.
Thanks for arranging the meeting. It...URL changed.<br /><br />Thanks for arranging the meeting. It was good to renew fellowship.Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-19796245140207358182010-07-21T11:16:04.024+01:002010-07-21T11:16:04.024+01:00And seriously, the talk was welcomed by all whom I...And seriously, the talk was welcomed by all whom I spoke to afterwards, so thank you for coming!Jonathan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12341478626195362383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-13864433680879483302010-07-21T11:15:36.419+01:002010-07-21T11:15:36.419+01:00We have the url www.cheltfreechurch.org you know!...We have the url www.cheltfreechurch.org you know! It makes us look less cheap! ;-)Jonathan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12341478626195362383noreply@blogger.com