tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post1537574591237386610..comments2024-03-07T06:52:34.516+00:00Comments on Exiled Preacher: Extemporary preachingGuy Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-62070748711990800682010-02-16T21:14:06.128+00:002010-02-16T21:14:06.128+00:00Great blog and comments on an interesting topic!
R...Great blog and comments on an interesting topic!<br />Re: Wesley, I am a United Methodist Pastor in America, and I am not an expert on Wesley. But I think I remember that his Standard Sermons were written down after they were all preached. Probably as part of the library Wesley developed and published for his young itinerants.<br />ChrisUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07873179598663431039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-3153880210357829952007-02-14T23:40:00.000+00:002007-02-14T23:40:00.000+00:00Thanks DP23, you should drop by more often! ;-)Thanks DP23, you should drop by more often! ;-)Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-14248652237146789942007-02-14T22:41:00.000+00:002007-02-14T22:41:00.000+00:00Just to say (as an occasional visitor) - (a) fasci...Just to say (as an occasional visitor) - (a) fascinating combinations of subjects on your blog! (Coldplay and Calvin etc!), and (b) thanks very much for this post on extempore preaching. An issue I have mulled over many times, but only got as far as reduced notes rather than no notes. Food for thought!dp23https://www.blogger.com/profile/03592822439048222383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-78468527042007405852007-02-10T10:51:00.000+00:002007-02-10T10:51:00.000+00:00Andrew,I prefer the Banner Minister's Conference, ...Andrew,<BR/><BR/>I prefer the Banner Minister's Conference, where we get a good balance of solid exposition and deep theology, delivered with passion and power. <BR/><BR/>Gary,<BR/><BR/>I still have to do the spadework of exegesis, consult the commentaries, develop a sermon structure and fill it out with exposition, illustration and application. Skipping on prep would be sheer presumptuousness. If I want to try to bring fresh and lively ministry to our people week in week out, I have to put in the hours in the study. <BR/><BR/>Isaac,<BR/><BR/>I'm not an expert of Wesley, but my guess is that he would improvise on his 'standard sermons' as he went preaching from place to place. An actor playing Hamlet has to memorise his lines and speak them exactly as they are in the text. He may put a slightly different emphasis on the words in each performance, but the words themselves will be the same. A preacher has a lot more freedom. Speaking for myself, the more times I preach a sermon, the more free I am to improvise with it in the pulpit. <BR/><BR/>Michael,<BR/><BR/>The most powerful preaching I ever heard was a Welsh minister, Andrew Davies preaching to students while I was at the London Theological Seminary. He spoke on 2 Pet 1:13 "I will not neglect to stir you up in the memory of these things". He preached "Your task is to STIR THEM UP!" Well, he stirred me up. <BR/><BR/>Interesting point you make about Celts and passionate preaching. Maybe it is because the English tend to be less demonstrative, especially privately educated Anglicans. 'Stiff upper lip' and all that. I don't know, that was <BR/>probably my Welsh Nonconformist prejudices speaking! <BR/><BR/>More seriously, I can think of some pretty passionate English preachers, and of course there is Whitefield and Spurgeon!Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-34556476034373811752007-02-09T23:20:00.000+00:002007-02-09T23:20:00.000+00:00Hmm, the most passionate preachers I have heard si...Hmm, the most passionate preachers I have heard since coming to the UK are in turn, an Irishman, a Welshman, and a Scot... now, why is that?<BR/><BR/>I really wish I had done more without notes when I had a preaching ministry. Now, when my sermons tend to be seminary chapel ones there seems to be a slightly differnt brief...michael jensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15379361601019023165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-57337184898472202022007-02-09T22:48:00.000+00:002007-02-09T22:48:00.000+00:00do you consider Wesley to be preaching extempore w...do you consider Wesley to be preaching extempore when he preached his standard sermons? it seems that they must have became memorized deliveries, almost like an actor in a play.Isaac M. Aldermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282951886480508721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-55597791952018313012007-02-09T22:38:00.000+00:002007-02-09T22:38:00.000+00:00Interesting blog and comments here. I do use notes...Interesting blog and comments here. I do use notes but I knwo exactly what you're talking about Guy. Does it tempt you to skimp on prep?Gary Bradyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08171450135496647908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-52276678072261514662007-02-09T21:58:00.000+00:002007-02-09T21:58:00.000+00:00Thanks for that. I find your analysis of EMA balan...Thanks for that. I find your analysis of EMA balanced and clear eyed.<BR/><BR/>Some colleagues here in Northern Ireland have been urging me to go along this year (for the first time), and your comments have helped. In December The Briefing ran an article by David Jackman on preaching which started a series. The next article (in the January edition) was 'On Becoming a More Passionate Preacher'. Perhaps the impoerative to proclaim that you highlight is begin to sink in with some.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again,<BR/>AndrewFamily Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-5877948444537255132007-02-09T21:49:00.000+00:002007-02-09T21:49:00.000+00:00Andrew,Thanks for your comments re the blog. I att...Andrew,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments re the blog. <BR/><BR/>I attended the Proc Trust's EMA last year. Click on the "preaching" label at the foot of this post and scroll down until you get the entry for 3rd July 2006 for my impressions.Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-73786239459950722182007-02-09T21:34:00.000+00:002007-02-09T21:34:00.000+00:00I wonder how you see the need and vitality of exte...I wonder how you see the need and vitality of extemporary preaching in the light of the Proc Trust style insistence on careful craft, timing, and manuscript preparation for preaching?<BR/><BR/>As a young preacher I sometimes find myself confused by my having sympathy for their prioritising of preaching, and feeling a certain sense of malaise about their ideas of mechanical preparation and presentation. I'd love to know your thoughts.<BR/><BR/>Really enjoying your blog by the way.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-82548606209829707952007-02-09T19:37:00.000+00:002007-02-09T19:37:00.000+00:00Isaac,Howell Harris began preaching by reading oth...Isaac,<BR/><BR/>Howell Harris began preaching by reading other people's sermons to anyone who would listen before he progressed to extemporary "exhorting" in the open air in 1735/6. Harris encouraged Whitefield to preach in the open air, which he did for the first time in 1739. But I don't know when GW stopped using notes while preaching. <BR/><BR/>If you search for Howell Harris on my blog, you should find a review of Geraint Tudur's biography of Harris.Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-55673140983316007782007-02-09T15:25:00.000+00:002007-02-09T15:25:00.000+00:00How is it that Whitefield came to preach extempora...How is it that Whitefield came to preach extemporaneously? was he influenced by Harris? i can't imagine Oxford was teaching an extemporaneous preaching class!Isaac M. Aldermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10282951886480508721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-91081036099307090962007-02-09T10:14:00.000+00:002007-02-09T10:14:00.000+00:00May the Lord help you!May the Lord help you!Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-10056712150218988352007-02-09T09:32:00.000+00:002007-02-09T09:32:00.000+00:00Thanks for this inspiration on preaching. My own e...Thanks for this inspiration on preaching. My own experience is quite different, in that as I've gone along I seem to be using more and more notes. I think there's a danger of getting too tied down to them, and then becoming dependant on them.<BR/><BR/>You've kind of stirred my own thinking about going back into the pulpit without a sheaf for a time or two.Family Blogshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18139302128402850028noreply@blogger.com