tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post710068731058551970..comments2024-03-07T06:52:34.516+00:00Comments on Exiled Preacher: The Great Evangelical Identity Crisis continued...Guy Davieshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-20906704719507216662010-12-01T16:32:07.731+00:002010-12-01T16:32:07.731+00:00'I think the Reformed movement in the UK is in...'I think the Reformed movement in the UK is in danger of fragmenting into different camps - retro, prog etc.'<br /><br />Absolutely, but I wonder if it was ever a movement ... after the MLJ / Stott split.<br /><br />the 'retro' element ... as you have said would want nothing to do with the 'prog' (see Peter Master's articles on the 'new Calvinism)... <br /><br />the 'prog' is probably only reformed in terms of soteriology, and has it's eye on broader (not necessarily reformed) coalitions eg affinity / the gospel partnerships and bigger numbers (you can join their churches without holding to any particularly reformed (baptist) credentials).<br /><br />I suspect over time these tendancies will negate any particularly 'reformed' emphasis in these conservative evangelical churches ... which at a time of a reformed resurgence of some sort in the US is to me an opportunity missed ...Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12322956035130921832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-69720421866159102572010-12-01T08:02:49.068+00:002010-12-01T08:02:49.068+00:00Typo corrected, Ben. I think the Reformed movement...Typo corrected, Ben. I think the Reformed movement in the UK is in danger of fragmenting into different camps - retro, prog etc. This fragmentation can sometimes be seen within local churches, as people fall out over Bible versions and the singing of contemporary hymns.Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-8972190951322339722010-12-01T05:55:40.014+00:002010-12-01T05:55:40.014+00:00A helpful summary, thank you.
'Loose' in ...A helpful summary, thank you.<br /><br />'Loose' in the first para should be 'lose'.<br /><br />On fragmentation, do you mean that this applies to the Reformed movement in the UK, or to local churches themselves? The latter, I think, would be much more serious than the former.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02072015658089535103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-53866800868372170052010-11-30T21:48:21.139+00:002010-11-30T21:48:21.139+00:00Yes, some people seem to have a Reformed soteriolo...Yes, some people seem to have a Reformed soteriology, but in attitude they are fundy rather than Refd.Guy Davieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09184743462264437085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17617194.post-62028407530697582172010-11-30T19:48:28.021+00:002010-11-30T19:48:28.021+00:00'Rather worryingly, there is a danger of tradi...'Rather worryingly, there is a danger of traditional Reformed churches in the UK fragmenting over issues that are important, but not of the essence Calvinism such as Bible translations and the singing of recently composed hymns.'<br /><br />Having thought on this for many years, I have come to the conclusion that this tendancy owes more to US fundamentalism than to Calvinism. Ironically historically this has perhaps been more associated with Arminians (in the US).Colinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12322956035130921832noreply@blogger.com